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10 October 2008 @ 11:04 am
Potty training  
I am also having trouble potty training my puppy! Daisy is very confusing. When we first brought her home, she was immaculate about never going in the house. We took her out every hour and she was perfect. Not a single accident. When we had a doggie sitter come in, she started having accidents. I'm not blaming the sitter. These things happen. But she started peeing and pooing in the house. Every day. Sometimes multiple times a day. The sitter claimed she took her out every hour and waited for her to go. But sometimes mid-play Daisy would just stop and then "go" without even making any attempt to go to a different area or go to the basement.

Now that Daisy is older, (6 months) I expect her to be able to hold it for more than an hour! At this age Gambit went out every 3 hours and never had an accident. But while Daisy knows to go to the backdoor if she has to go out, and she knows the routine of when we go for walks in the morning and the evening, she still is having lots of accidents.

I think the concern is that she is still very blase about it. Sometimes she will go to the basement, and I'll let her out. But sometimes she won't even make the effort. If we are in the bedroom or the living room, she doesn't even head for the stairs. Sometimes there isn't even any sign of sniffing or circling. She just runs around playing, pauses, pees or even POOPS and then resumes play like all is well. She doesnt' cry or whimper or act agitated. I just don't understand. I'm trying very hard to get her on a routine but after all this time it's hard to keep taking her out every 1.5 hours; it really interferes with my evening. I expected this through early puppyhood, but not into 6 months and up.

I know that her daytime situation sucks right now. My husband used to leave at 10:30 and I was usually home at 4:30. Now he has an earlier shift, and the person who drives me home after work has taken on more responsibilities which delay her taking me home on time. Now the puppies go from about 7:45 to about 5 by themselves, which for Gambit is fine but is too long to expect Daisy to hold it every day (though she sometimes does, little champ!)

I wonder if being forced to pee in her crate 2 or 3 days out of 5 is causing her to just be totally cool about just peeing in the house (and POOPING!) whenever she has to? She always acts ashamed afterwards, and she is told "NO!" and praised like crazy when she goes outside, but has she just learned that you just go where you go?

How can I break her of this? She's very smart and loves getting into trouble, and I wonder if she is just going to be super stubborn about this? I've heard bostons can be hard to housebreak, but honest to god, Gambit was NEVER like this. I can't remember the last time he had an accident since he was about 5 months old, excpet the winter last year where I couldn't shovel out the walk fast enough and he cried and pooped in the front hall cause he just had to go that badly. And even when he was a pup, he would try to go as close to the door as possible, out of shame. Daisy will just whizz wherever. Bed? yup. living room? yup. Couch? yup. She's even pooped/peed on her way down the stairs and kept going, walking through it and tracking it all down my stairs and not seeming to notice/mind.

Could something be wrong?
<3 farzanaraarar on October 10th, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
i don't really have any advice, just some experience i guess. mia is now almost 5 months old. and when we first got her at 2 months we would have to take her out every hour, and that left little to no accidents in the house. we would get a few in the house here and there but she was a puppy. Then she learned to stand by the door when she needed to go. Then she forgot she was supposed to stand by the door but was a little older so taking her out every three to four hours was no problem. Everything was fine including leaving her in her crate for up to 7 hours when me and my girlfriend both work. I was really sick a few weeks back and she seemed to forget her training and was peeing in the house again. But we got back on her and she has not pee'd in here in about a week now. I don't know if you'll get anything useful out of this. but hopefully :)

one suggestion. I heard that it is bad to tell the dog NO when they pee/poop in the house because they associate it with the act of peeing and pooping so if they are going to do it in the house from then on they might try to hide if from you. we just gave mia treats for peeing outside when we had to re-train her recently.
Jennylittlesunflower on October 10th, 2008 08:12 pm (UTC)
I didn't type what I meant, I think. If I see Daisy going in the house I say "No, go OUTSIDE!" and then I always take her outside so she associates that action with outside. I think she knows for the most part. It's more like a "meh, the back door is all the way downstairs, I'm just gonna pee right here." I'd understand if she NEVER went to the backdoor, but it's like she picks and chooses when to go in the house and when not to go.
c'est moisarainc on October 10th, 2008 06:03 pm (UTC)
oh. my. goodness.

for my violet... housebreaking was hell. honestly. never had a dog so difficult to train. we had the same problem where she would be playing and then just pee without any warning whatsoever.

what we did:
- if she had an accident while playing - we would stop playing and just take her straight outside. we wouldn't talk to her until she went outside.
- when she had an accident in her crate, we took all bedding out for a few days. then it would go back in (clean of course). if she had an accident again, it came right back out... etc, etc. she only had an accident in the crate maybe once without bedding.... because the bedding would soak it up. if the bedding wasn't there she'd have to sit in it, so she didn't do it. I think removing the bedding helps to prevent it from becoming a habit.
- when she pee or poops outside we praise her. (even now)
- when we're gone, we put her on a lead on our back porch. so if she has to go at least it's outside.
- play outside with her until she pees/poops, then reward her and go inside.
- for a few months when she was really bad at peeing overnight without warning, we picked up her water at 8 pm and didn't allow her to have it back until morning.

violet is two now. It took at least a year for us to consider her housebroken, but even now we don't leave her in the house unsupervised and have an occasional accident (maybe once every 3 months).

for us, we just try to do everything we possibly can to prevent her from going inside. it has been a lot of work.
Genevieve: clementine kissesalwaysgenevieve on October 10th, 2008 10:26 pm (UTC)
Clem never goes in her crate but does pee and poop inside. I think the reason why is because i never catch her in the act! i found 3 poops under the couch last night when i was trying to get her because i had to leave!! little brat! i take her out all the time too.

she has never stood by the door. she has only peed in the bed once. we go to bed around 10 and i take her out at 7 or 8. so i know she can hold it!!!
C.a.t.h.i.e: Drops on Leaf_simplyinlove on October 11th, 2008 05:54 pm (UTC)
I wonder if it is a female thing.....? I once heard that males are easier to train.

Well, Violet is 4 years old now and it took a few years for her to not have accidents in the house. We would praise her and when we found something in the house, she would know what she did was wrong. We would take her to it and point at it and say, "WRONG!" because our trainer said that saying no would confuse them since it's often said in the everyday language. But it would be horrible b/c we had her on a schedule, and them my dad would mess it up and take her out when she was just being nosey on the neighbors, or he wouldn't take her out when it was her pee/poop time and she would have an accident. Now we have issues with our 10 year old male because he wants to mark his territory, but he also has borderline cushions disease, so he'll drink a lot of water and pee more often and my dad messes up his schedule to....

it's awful.

but maybe if you could figure out some schedule to keep her on it might help...might take a while but it would be better than getting diapers. ;-)