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11 August 2009 @ 02:21 pm
worried about Clementine!  


Friday I woke up, and took Hog and Clem on their walk. An hour later my boyfriend told me to look at her paw. She was limping on it and it had a bump that looked infected. She stopped limping on it right away. I thought it was a spider bite. The next day it was still the same so I squeezed it a little and a ton of puss came out.

This is what it looks like


I planned to take her to the vet on Monday but it looked much better monday. Woke up today and it was red again. So I just got home with her from the vet. $250 later...

They took her in the back and looked at the cells from it under a microscope. The first thing she says when she comes back into the room with Clementine is "I didn't see any cancer cells. It isn't uncommon for young dogs to have cancer." I am about to throw up because this cannot happen to me again!!!!!!!!! With what I went through with Lulu, Clementine needs to live to 100!

She said she saw some "mass cells" and wants to send them to the lab. ($150) I asked if it's normal for a hematoma or cancer for that matter to just appear (like a bug bite would) in an hour. I would think hematoma's start off small and grow? She had nothing on her paw when I took her at 6am. Then at 8am she had what you see above.... So the Dr. said she couldn't see much because of all the blood and puss.

Whatever it is it's really infected. She has two different medications for that. The lab results take 3-4 days. I am pretty sure they will come back and say bug bite... and i paid $150 for them to tell me that... but I want to make sure it's not something major.

Have any of your bostons had anything like this??? She said she DID not see cancer cells but she still scared the shit out of me.

Oh and she has luxating patellas in BOTH her knees. The Dr, said hers isn't bad at all though and would only need surgery if she started limping.... UGHHHHHHH



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Motivesgeekkid on August 11th, 2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
A few months ago, my boston (under a year old) got one of those under her chin. The vet surgically removed it and sent it in to a lab and it was not cancerous. He informed us that it happens more frequently in younger dogs and he's seen it a lot in BT's. It looks exactly the same as the image you have there -- it actually grew quickly and burst twice before her surgery. While it was uncomfortable to her, it wasn't a huge huge huge issue.
Genevieve: clementine's chinalwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 09:52 pm (UTC)
hers isn't growing and not sure why it would be so infected. Did hers just appear? or did it start small and grow?
(no subject) - geekkid on August 11th, 2009 09:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - alwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Barbara: Bruinkicksav29 on August 11th, 2009 09:55 pm (UTC)
Poor Clem! Bruin hasn't had any masses but he did have the patella luxation surgery at a year and a half and let me tell you, it made all the difference. He's never had a problem with his knee since.

And there's my fave...Hogs! I just love him to pieces!
Genevieve: Lulu Woofalwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 09:59 pm (UTC)
how much did Bruin's surgery cost? How bad was it before he had to have surgery?

The only time I notice it with Clem is when she is excited. She does the "Lulu move" and kicks her legs out to the sides while wiggling her butt at the same time. Then she will hold her leg up like she doesn't want to put pressure on it.

But that only lasts for a few seconds.
(no subject) - kicksav29 on August 11th, 2009 10:01 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - alwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kicksav29 on August 12th, 2009 01:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
la_bellisima33: oreo bonela_bellisima33 on August 11th, 2009 10:00 pm (UTC)
Oreo has a spot like that on one of her paws, I’ll try to take a picture tonight to compare. It’s a little raised but has never bothered her or gotten bigger/worse so we’ve never been too concerned. However, I’ve never seen any blood/pus from it either so it could be something different. I’m sure it’s nothing to worry about, and the fact that it’s NOT cancer is very good!

Oreo also has two luxating patellas and limped on one for a few weeks. They tried to get us to schedule surgery immediately ($5000!) but she stopped limping shortly after and hasn’t limped once in over a year. I honestly think the luxating patellas are over-diagnosed. Oreo probably had some other injury going on but they were so focused on the patella surgery that they didn’t try to treat anything else. Of course if she starts having chronic troubles we’d get the surgery, but I feel like they push this huge, traumatic surgery when it’s not always needed. Sorry, *steps off soap box.* :)
Genevieve: cartoon boston made by <lj user=alwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
just by looking at Clem's you can tell it's infected. So I am sure Oreo's is fine. We actually put a little needle through it just to see if pus would come out and sure enough it poured out.

Yeah she said she couldn't see any cancer.. but that is just her looking under her microscope. The lab would be able to see that much better...

But like i said i really think it's an infected bug bite and she knew it.. sometimes i feel like vets will do anything and say anythng to get your money. She didn't even tell me the lab would cost me $150...

oh well. i would rather pay it and know for sure nothing is wrong with her.

I can't believe Oreo's surgery would have been $5,000! I pray Clem will never need the surgery.... we will see
(no subject) - la_bellisima33 on August 11th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC) (Expand)
bostonsnboxers on August 11th, 2009 10:07 pm (UTC)
OMG! First of all, the photos, as always are fantastic ;)

I am so sorry this has happened to you...what a crappy thing!
I wish I could say "Oh yes, I know exactly what you're talking about, it's nothing!" but I can't :( My gut tells me bug bite or something though...I never heard of a tumor, or cancer of any sort causing an infection.

I know just how you feel though. My husband and I have lost 5 very good friends (2 cats and 3 dogs) in our 30 yrs together, and if the tiniest thing seems off, I'm off to the vet. They're my kids, and I swear I worry more about them than I did my daughter!

God bless you for being such a good mommy! I'll keep you all in my prayers...please let us know what the test results say.

Patti
bostonsandboxers.com
Genevieve: clementine's chinalwaysgenevieve on August 11th, 2009 10:11 pm (UTC)
thank you Patti! I say bug bite too
stealthysasha on August 11th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
Dave had two histiocytomas removed in the past year that look a lot like your pictures. Our vet removed them because she couldn't tell from looking at the cells if they were cancerous or not and given Dave's fun medical history, removal seemed the best option. Luckily the pathology report on both showed that they weren't cancerous and he's got health insurance that covered most of the cost. His bumps never got infected, but they did seem to just appear one day. Maybe it's the same kind of thing?
Genevieve: clementine facealwaysgenevieve on August 12th, 2009 05:08 pm (UTC)
did his appear out of nowhere? or did it start small and then grow? hers just appeared that big out of nowhere.

clam has no medical insurance...
(no subject) - stealthysasha on August 12th, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Jennylittlesunflower on August 12th, 2009 12:03 am (UTC)
I hope Clementine will be okay. Hopefully it's just a bite or a benign growth and that it will be fine soon. You are in my thoughts!
Joannamiss_upsetter on August 12th, 2009 12:47 am (UTC)
i say bugbite. After moving to MN from AZ, i'm dealing with bugs really poorly!! Bella and I have gotten bit up quite a bit this summer (I even posted a while ago when her lady bits got all bitten up!)

To be honest, it sounds like your vet is way over charging you. Vet charges aren't regulated, so they can charge whatever they want. I know my sister's vet charges her waaayyy more than necessary, and says her ferrets need procedures that they really don't. I'd look around for another vet or even haggle at your vet! That much money for something that your instincts are correct on? yeah.

It looks like a spider bite though. Spider bites are really nasty. Just do the benedryl/antibiotic thing. She'll be just fine.
Genevieve: Lulu Woofalwaysgenevieve on August 12th, 2009 05:10 pm (UTC)
yeah i remember Bella's bites.

i didn't know you could haggle at the vet. i also thought they charged the same price to everyone.

i think that is just the standard cytology charge unfortunately. but i would rather just pay it and know for sure what it is. hopefully it's just a bug bite.
(no subject) - miss_upsetter on August 12th, 2009 06:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Hubert Figuierehub_ on August 12th, 2009 01:31 am (UTC)
For the petellas, Stella started limping one day because of that, after a long play and run up the stairs. The Vet said to give her aspirin and have her do some excercise with the leg. Looks like it has worked out for her.
M to the J: Casey Jonesmessyjessy on August 12th, 2009 01:42 am (UTC)
Casey Jones had a mast cell tumor on his side about a year and a half ago. It looked like a pimple, but it never got infected. It didn't look anything like Clem's paw. My vet removed it and said that now he's going to be more susceptible to tumors going forward. The surgery was about $800 or $900. I'm not sure exactly because at the same time he was also treated for heartworm and had two teeth pulled. The whole shebang was $1,200.

I hope its just a bug bite.
Genevieve: Hog & Clem on the benchalwaysgenevieve on August 12th, 2009 05:11 pm (UTC)
me too :(
sportma2sportma2 on August 20th, 2009 03:49 am (UTC)
I hope Clemmie will be okay. She is too cute to be sick. Can I ask... what is luxating Patellas????

I noticed Frenchie limping last night, but it quickly went away.
I hope all if well now!!!
Genevieve: hog smiling made by <lj user=" title="Genevieve: hog smiling made by " />alwaysgenevieve on August 20th, 2009 05:30 pm (UTC)
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kisstherain4mekisstherain4me on August 21st, 2009 04:24 am (UTC)
I'll say what my vet said, since Beasties had random lumps, and he said normally they biopsy them for cancer and such, but that bostons are "lumpy dogs" and it's common for bostons of all ages to just grow random lumps. That would explain the "mass cells" she's talking about.
(Anonymous) on August 29th, 2009 01:47 am (UTC)
Luxating Patella - don't worry
Hey there,

a friend of mine sent this to me. So, I thought I'd respond. About 9 months ago the vet told me my baby, now 2, has a luxating patella. Here's the deal... many, many small dogs get this. It is from jumping up on the bed and couch and in the car and so on. Anyway, Copley does have a slight luxating patella BUT we still actively train and plan to compete in agility - which is a big strain on the body. I read that 1 hour of agility is equal to 3 hours of hiking for the dog.

I started giving Copley glucosimine tablets and buying treats with glucosamine in them. As you know, there is no placebo affect with dogs. In six short weeks, I saw a HUGE improvement in how Copley runs, plays, and jumps to catch the frisbee. She's doing great. After and hour or two of solid exercise, she gets like a little old lady and has a slight stagger. But, I would too if I chased a frisbee for over an hour. Keep it all in perspective.

So, with all the other nonsense you've got going on... don't worry about the luxating patella. It won't slow your little clemintine down one bit.

Hope this gives you a little confidence back.

(Anonymous) on July 4th, 2010 01:39 am (UTC)
Hey my dog had this same thing on both paws! It may not be what it was on my dog but this is it... My dog has seperation anxiety and is crated for potty training... he was chewing the sides of his feet... I believe from boredom but the vet said it may be an allergy... They gave him an antibiotic and an allergy pill and he stopped and it is just a little dark colored spot on each paw.
Genevieve: clementine prettyalwaysgenevieve on July 4th, 2010 04:31 pm (UTC)
it was her dewclaw trying to come in. Her breeder didn't remove it properly
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