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09 December 2010 @ 12:08 am
Aggressive Boston.  
The whole story is posted here, but to sum it up- my Boston Terrier bit another dog. I love my Boston, and want to get him into a class specifically for dog aggression. I found one in my area that costs $214, and I want to sign him up for it. Anyone have a Boston that's dog aggressive?



 
 
I am feeling: stressedstressed
 
 
 
miserable, arrogant old batcottonmanifesto on December 9th, 2010 09:46 am (UTC)
i don't have a dog aggressive boston, but i have a dog aggressive pit bull. she's 7 years old and (knock on wood) hasn't bitten another dog. i do a lot of management and i keep her away from other dogs (other than the ones in my house) at all times. she's in a 'bad dog' class that's outdoors so it doesn't happen over winter, but i highly recommend outdoor classes for this kind of training as it generalizes more easily in the dog's head.

please choose your class carefully. you don't want a class that relies on punishment as you might lose your only warning that your dog will attack/bite. look for one with positive reinforcement based training as that will help your dog gain confidence.

this trainer is based in seattle:
http://ahimsadogtraining.com/blog/bat/

they have a 'growly dog' class:
http://ahimsadogtraining.com/class/dog-aggression.php

that blog is very helpful and has videos that will get you started on the right track, even before you get enrolled in a training class.

another thing you might do is train your dog to happily accept a muzzle and keep it on him at all times when out of the house. this will make you feel more comfortable as it reduces the risk of an incident occurring and it has the added benefit of being an unspoken signal that others should keep their dogs away from yours.

please remember, this is just behavior, and it's not a reflection on you. your anxiety when your dog is near another dog is transmitted through tension on the leash and can increase reactivity, so it's best to try to remain calm - at least on the outside!
☂ Lydiazombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:22 am (UTC)
Yes! I was looking into that specifically actually!

Thank you for your encouraging words. It's made me feel like I'm a terrible owner.
kisstherain4mekisstherain4me on December 15th, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah I agree with the punishment thing, I think Sam was beat on for just about anything, so there is no warning when he will bite, just seems to come out of the blue, no hackles, no growling.
Lorindasweetdemonica on December 9th, 2010 11:40 am (UTC)
Wow this just about made me sick to my stomach. I can not imagine what you are going through. I would not have that kind of money either. I can't imagine having my dog taken away from me. Was the bite to her dog really that bad?! I can't even imagine a boston doing that much damage. I'd like to donate to help you out. I'm guessing this ChipIn will allow me to do paypal, i hope...
My parents have a very shy boston which often turns to aggression if someone (dog or human) approaches too quickly before she is ready for them. She is the only boston i have ever seen like that.
☂ Lydia: Baby dancezombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:24 am (UTC)
No, it was just a "puncture wound." A tiny amount of blood. Nothing some soap and warm water couldn't help. But she freaked out right away, which in turn made me panic.

Thanks for your help. :)
Genevieve: dog: hogwarts & Ialwaysgenevieve on December 9th, 2010 01:17 pm (UTC)
this is sad. The woman sounds like a biatch. A huge rhodeisian ridge back pit mix attacked my Hogwarts at Runyon Canyon one time. He was bleeding with puncture wounds and in a state of shock. Making weird noises and shaking like a leaf. He was just minding his own business when she grabbed him by the neck and shook him.

I was mad because the owner said "oh she's a rescue and sometimes she just snaps." Well if she snaps then don't take her to an off leash dog hike!!!

Anyway the point of me telling you this is i took him to the vet and the vet said I could just clean the wounds out at home myself if I wanted to save money. I wasn't going to be a total bitch and report her dog. I knew what would happen if I did.

You should post this on the woofboard and get opinions

www.woofboard.com



Edited at 2010-12-09 04:18 pm (UTC)
Lorindasweetdemonica on December 9th, 2010 10:43 pm (UTC)
I also cant help but wonder what the hell kind of vet would charge THAT much just to clean out puncture wounds. I hope karma comes back to bite that woman.
☂ Lydia: Why Don't You Love Me?zombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:25 am (UTC)
I know right?!! I asked for a copy of the vet bill. It's ridiculous, but I have no choice but to pay it. She could take me to small claims court.
☂ Lydia: Baby dancezombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:27 am (UTC)
Poor lil Hogwarts. :( That breaks my heart.

I feel like she's trying to do whatever she can to empty my wallet. She knows I don't have the money right now. She kept saying "I know you're moving and already stressed." Yeah, I have no money from moving! And she couldn't even get Buddy's name right. She would call him "Buster" and then go back to calling him "Buddy." Bleh.
Genevieve: dog: clementine & hogwarts crownsalwaysgenevieve on December 10th, 2010 02:17 pm (UTC)
if she knows then why is she doing this? She has a choice in this matter! what kind of dog was the one he bit? Honestly, how bad was it?
☂ Lydiazombeats on December 11th, 2010 02:31 am (UTC)
Cause she's EVIL! The dog was an American Eskimo, about twice the size of Buddy. Honestly, I don't think the bite was that bad. He got one bite in before my roommate pulled him away.
kisstherain4mekisstherain4me on December 15th, 2010 04:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah the dog that attacked Deedee was a rescue dog, badly abused, totally strange, keep in mind I work in a senior's home and the nurse brought this dog to work with her. Yes Deedee sassed her by barking but didn't do anything more, and the dog just tried to eat her
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Genevieve: dog: hogwarts & Ialwaysgenevieve on December 10th, 2010 02:18 pm (UTC)
My Hogwarts is super leash aggressive! He thinks he is my body guard on the leash! But off, totally fine! As fine as a bt can be that is.. :)
Jessi: beware of dogmissbadexample on December 9th, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
This must be so hard! This could so easily be my dog, so my heart really goes out to you. I could only afford to donate $5, because that's all I had in my paypal account, I don't have a credit card, and I've got less than $20 in my checking account. (Don't worry about me or anything, though; I've got a terrific family/support system.)

Anyway, I will say a prayer that you get the money you need to make this better.

My boston (Lainie) is a terror. She once tried to bite my sister's (much larger) dog when my mother got between them and Lainie bit my mother by accident. Mom had to go to the E.R. I'm really surprised nothing was done about her then. I worry, but there aren't really classes or anything around here. Mainly, she is trained very well, and if she starts acting up (like trying to fight), I spray her with water (from a spray bottle). She responds well to that. Now she knows that if she even sees the bottle, to back off, that she's doing something wrong. (And, of course, if she backs off just by seeing the bottle, I don't spray her.)

I hope this helps?
☂ Lydiazombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:30 am (UTC)
Thank you!! I really appreciate it.

I don't like thinking of someone taking Buddy away from me. :( There are a lot of resources in Seattle thankfully so I'm really going to check into that.
just another daynympha on December 9th, 2010 05:07 pm (UTC)
Cole is very dog aggressive. Im so sorry that you have to go through this and I agree with alwaysgenevieve about this woman being a biatch. Cole has fought with other dogs where both were bleeding and he's bit the nose of an innocent dog before and made that bleed as well and the people were always pretty cool about it. I hope you find a decent training class for yours.
☂ Lydiazombeats on December 10th, 2010 02:28 am (UTC)
I understand dogs get into fights and there can be bleeding, but she took this WAY TOO FAR. How long has your dog been aggressive?
just another daynympha on December 10th, 2010 11:18 am (UTC)
Cole has been dog aggressive since he was 1, he was choosey with the dogs he didnt like. He was raised with my sisters Boston and love him and stayed with my step dads Retriever for 3 months when he was 2.5 yrs. Since then we have moved to the UK and he doesnt like any dog at all. He goes nuts if he sees one from a distance.
I really hope training class helps or at least curbs some of his aggression.
They are such loving dogs!
Lorindasweetdemonica on December 10th, 2010 12:00 pm (UTC)
so i was telling everyonw at work today about me doing my good deed for the day and then told them the story. Anyways, they said they think you should call and ask the vet for an itemized receipt to ensure that all of that money is just for the cleaning of the wounds and all that. Maybe you should also say you're getting an attorney...
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Tiffany: boston terrier- glasses scarfiftherainstops on December 13th, 2010 12:56 pm (UTC)
I'm really sorry you're going through that, it must be super stressful and I am sure it is one of those situations no dog owner wants to be in and I'm glad you're looking into training for your pup.

I have to politely disagree with everyone bad mouthing the other woman. If I was in her situation I probably would have done the same thing for my dog. I would have taken it to the vet, and I sure as heck would want the person who's dog bit mine to foot the bill for it. It doesn't make the situation any less sucky, but if it wasn't her fault why should she have to pay for it? I would probably also file a report if I was in that situation. How would I know your dog won't do it again? It's saving my dog and potential others.

I'm glad people are helping you, and I'm glad you're going to get your little guy some help so that this doesn't happen again. There's a boston terrier meetup group here in Seattle that has a great discussion board and lots of great people there- maybe they can help find a great trainer to help out :)

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☂ Lydiazombeats on December 16th, 2010 03:07 am (UTC)
Thank you. I do think the citation and the bill were excessive. But I am taking full responsibility for the bill anyway.

Oddly enough I still haven't received the citation in the mail? Hmmm.
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kisstherain4mekisstherain4me on December 15th, 2010 04:49 pm (UTC)
Unfortuantly my eldest Sam is extremely vicious with other dogs, I believe he was abused and not socialized as a baby, and Deedee was pretty much ok, but then was badly attacked by a bigger dog (we had to pull her whole head out of the dog's mouth and she suffered a punctured ear) and sadly she got in a fight with a dog in my workplace after that and she was banned. I find my dogs are 10 times worse when they are together. Now I'm having trouble with both of them nipping fingers to get attention. Deedee never listened to me, even as a puppy I couldn't get her to make eye contact. My last boston wasn't thrilled about other dogs either.