01 December 2004 @ 12:00 pm
We finally got our Bams a kennel as the potty problem has NOT been solved. We started keeping him in the kitchen whenever we go out and go to sleep. But he still goes potty sometimes, and of course, not in the potty pan heh. So we decided to get a crate yesterday, and we thought perhaps if we took away his bed, he'd sleep in the crate. But this morning we saw that he dragged the bedding out of the crate and slept on it, lol. Oh Bams. We have tried throwing treats into the crate, far in the back. But he won't go completely in it and will stretch his hind legs as far as it goes to grab the treats and run away, chomping on the treats heh.

Any suggestions? We don't want to push him in the crate, i'd think that'd just give off a "punishment" feeling to the crate. But we don't know what else to do? What did you do when you first started crating your babies?
NHxsaltyx on December 1st, 2004 05:29 pm (UTC)
Put him in there and let him get used to it. Don't take him out just because he's crying. Increase the time that you leave him alone in the crate. Try actually leaving the house for short periods of time at first. The crate shouldn't be for punishment, it should be his safe place. You can start to get him to like the crate by feeding him in there, as well.
NHxsaltyx on December 1st, 2004 05:30 pm (UTC)
Also, you should be able to find a LOT of information about crate training online!
Daphnedaphne1d on December 1st, 2004 05:49 pm (UTC)
A kong stuffed with peanut butter is our secret weapon for crate training. Our pug just smells/senses the jar opening and goes running into her crate ;)
At first (when she was a pup) we'd place her gently in the crate along with her kong, and she quickly got the hang of it.
Most dogs are so crazy for the kong that they don't even notice that they've been put in the crate! ;)

Good luck!
Jamiejamie_marie on December 1st, 2004 06:11 pm (UTC)
I agree. A kong with peanut butter can be your best friend!

Zeke's been going into his crate consistantly for the last seven months. He could tell when we were getting ready to leave, and would hide to avoid getting put in it! Every single day he'd cry for a couple of minutes and then stop. Well a couple of weeks ago we wised up, and started filling his kong with peanut butter, and giving it to him when we crate him, not only has he stopped crying, but he'll actually walk into the crate on his own, lay down and go to town on his kong.

No matter where he is, I can almost promise you that Bams is sleeping all day.. so don't feel bad about crating him, it will eventually become his safe haven. I would begin by placing him in his crate with a kong for maybe a half an hour.. and increase the time to an hour.. and so on.

Good Luck :)
Stephanie Scotthotaslava2024 on December 1st, 2004 06:40 pm (UTC)
We started daisy the first night she came home. She would cry so I would lay infront of the cage.. not looking at her.. until she fell asleep.. took about 3 nights.. Also, dogs will not pee where there bed is.. So if you are leaving him in the cage for an extended period of time, make sure the cage is large enough so he can pee and not have to hold it or be forced to lay in it.

He has to get used to the cage. Dogs are like children.. sometimes it breaks your heart to teach them but they have to learn.

NHxsaltyx on December 1st, 2004 06:55 pm (UTC)
Actually, you should look up how long your dog should be able to "hold it" at their age, and make sure your dog is not in the crate (or left alone with no one to let him out) longer than that. If he is still going in the crate, you should make a partition to make the crate SMALLER so that he will be forced to hold it since he won't want to stand in it. Otherwise, your doggie will learn that it's okay to go in the crate and in the house. Very bad.
Melindamindy1024 on December 1st, 2004 07:23 pm (UTC)
I agree. Our vet said although house training a dog can be very difficult, once they are used to going in the crate, that habit is almost impossible to re-train. If we have to leave Kermi for long periods of time, we block her off in the kitchen with some newspaper. (however, we also leave her crate open in the kitchen so she can come in and out of it as she pleases, which I think helps with getting them comfortable with the crate).
aquaholic on December 1st, 2004 06:52 pm (UTC)
push him in. carry him in. whatever you have to do. Get him in.
it works. Trust me.

Crispin HATED his crate - and still does to a certain extent. But he'll now go in if he's tired and cranky - or we won't let him up on the couch. ;)

Keep trying the treats/toys in the crate, but in the long run, i ended up having to push crispin in, and even to this day, i physically have to carry him and put him in if I go out. He won't go in on command. But he seems to understand it's not a punishment, like he used to. It's turning more and more into his den ..
...and Crispin is now 7 months old. Give Bams' some time, and in the meantime, show him who's in charge - and it's not him! :)
Melindamindy1024 on December 1st, 2004 07:19 pm (UTC)
Thankfully, Kermit had a little experience with being in a crate before we got her. But yes the kong works very well, we used peanut butter (we put it in the freezer for a bit so she really had to lick at it). We also have a "blanket" for her crate. It is just a tea/dish towel and she loves it...sometimes she takes it out but mostly it stays in the crate and she won't go to bed unless it is in there. Kermi also cried a bit at first but we left her in it and she was fine. She usually likes to sleep on people but if she is really tired she goes right in on her own. One tip is check with the vet's office, my vet had these cds you could rent for 5 dollars and they had topics such as crate training, potty training, biting, chewing, etc. They were pretty informative and gave some good pointers.
everything in my body says not tonight.charmcityriot on December 1st, 2004 07:24 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean! My BT would streeetch and stretch to get whatever I put in there. I ended up not crate training him, but he was 2 and didn't have any accidents in the house so it wasn't a big deal. We have crate trained other dogs and I'd get into that, but xsaltyx pretty much hit the nail on the head :).
NHxsaltyx on December 1st, 2004 07:27 pm (UTC)
Haha, Maizy has put me through the paces, so now I know what's up! :)

Also, give the BEST treats for going in the crate. This morning I was walking up the stairs with a treat in my hand and Maizy ran ahead of me to get in her crate and wait for her treat! :)
everything in my body says not tonight.charmcityriot on December 1st, 2004 08:17 pm (UTC)
haha, so cute!! my parents one dog will go in his crate if you just point to it, he's trained so good. he spends a lot of time just chilling in his crate though, he actually LIKES it haha. he's a nervous dog though, so i think it's his 'safe place.'

ps Glad to hear Maizy is doing good :D
Amberchancepuppeh on December 1st, 2004 09:34 pm (UTC)
I crate trained Ashton from age 6 weeks, so he's use to it. The worse thing I had to encounter with teaching him as a pup was the whining and having to resist letting him out right away. It took about 2 weeks to kennel train him to where he didn't whine anymore. Kongs with peanutbutter and tbone treats were VERY good aids. I point to his kennel and he will sit in it, patiently waiting for me to close it, and if I'm on the other side of the house and he's with me and I tell him "kennel" he goes directly to his kennel and waits. He usually doesn't spend a long time in his kennel, being he's only in there when no one is home.